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What (parts of) RH albums have flawed structure rather than flawed songs?


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I'll go first and show what I mean.

For example, I think Pablo Honey is the worst RH album, but for entirely different reasons -- I can't think of any way to improve the flow of the album, which I think is perfectly fine. I just find most of the songs cheesy.

HTTT is a much better album, with some of RH's best moments, but I think it jumps too much for its own good, with its rock song -> electronica -> piano ballad -> electronica -> rock song like structure. It feels like an album that tries to be varied in a slightly forced way, and I'd like a more natural progression from start to end. This would probably involve losing a few tracks, which I'd be perfectly okay with.

TKOL has pretty damn strong song selection, and they are structured beautifully. Wouldn't change a thing, though it's definately short as a whole.

Kid A is one of those albums where the songflow is so awesome it arguably contributes more to the album experience than the individual songs themselves. The best flowing RH album IMO.

Amnesiac has a more contrasty and experimental flow than Kid A, that still works well and feels whole. But I always thought Morning Bell/Amnesac is sandwiched in a wierd spot, and I tend to skip it.

I have only one problem with In Rainbows: It's too mellow in the middle between Wierd Fishes and Jigsaw, and could use one more upbeat song thrown in. Of course, all the material on this album is absolutely stellar in its own right.

OKC is perfect for me until the very end; I think Lucky and The Tourist are somewhat similiar and drags the album's energy too much down before it ends. Yes, I am probably alone in thinking this, and no, I have no idea how to fix that, except removing The Tourist, which is actually not a bad choice since Lucky is a better song anyway and the album is somewhat long.

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OKC is perfect for me until the very end; I think Lucky and The Tourist are somewhat similiar and drags the album's energy too much down before it ends. Yes, I am probably alone in thinking this, and no, I have no idea how to fix that, except removing The Tourist, which is actually not a bad choice since Lucky is a better song anyway and the album is somewhat long.


Well for starters, The Tourist is an epic ending to the album. Lucky would be a drag ending. I've always thought that Lucky brings the album full circle and The Tourist wraps it up. Perfection.

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I have only one problem with In Rainbows: It's too mellow in the middle between Wierd Fishes and Jigsaw, and could use one more upbeat song thrown in. Of course, all the material on this album is absolutely stellar in its own right.


What??? All I Need and Reckoner are the centerpieces in the sence that both have greaaat climaxes! Reckoner is the highlight obvioulsy and it doesnt feel mellow at all, why do you want a upbeat song if you have all those beautiful and stellar arrangements? (including Faust Arp)

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TKOL has pretty damn strong song selection, and they are structured beautifully. Wouldn't change a thing, though it's definately short as a whole.

lolwut?

TKOL is one of the worst RH albums both in terms of songs and its structure as an album, although I do quite like the tension/release thing they did.

Fitter Happier is the worst thing Radiohead have ever done to an album, completely kills the flow of OKC for me. I also agree that Lucky->The Tourist is a pretty limp ending for the album.

Kid A and In Rainbows are more or less perfect structurally, although I would have liked the first few seconds of IR to sound different.

HTTT is a mess but that's kind of the point isn't it?

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lolwut?

TKOL is one of the worst RH albums both in terms of songs and its structure as an album, although I do quite like the tension/release thing they did.

Fitter Happier is the worst thing Radiohead have ever done to an album, completely kills the flow of OKC for me. I also agree that Lucky->The Tourist is a pretty limp ending for the album.


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I love Fitter Happier, and I think it completely works on the album.

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i was listening to fitter happier today and was thinking it would be a good opener to the album, then right into airbag

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TKOL obviously. Really poor choice to have half the album be woodsy percussion and the other half slow ballads. (this could've been fixed if they put staircase after codex)

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I always put Staircase after LBL.. seems weird been after Codex

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I kind of agree with most of what the OP said, specially about HTTT, In Rainbows and OKC.

Last month, my band did a tribute concert playing the whole of OKC. The crowd was loving it until No Surprises, but we felt the mood kind of died down during Lucky and The Tourist.

About HTTT, Thom and Ed have said that it should have been better edited. If they meant that the album should've had less songs, I would agree, but still it is my 2nd favorite album because the songs are beyond amazing (IR is first).
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TKOL is one of the worst RH albums both in terms of songs and its structure as an album, although I do quite like the tension/release thing they did.


lolwut indeed, Mr. James.

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you're obviously skipping the bends because it is almost kida-esque perfect in structure minus the lull of bulletproof :yeah:

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Sorry guys what I meant to say was that all Radiohead albums are flawless and I don't even know why this thread was started because obviously they're the best band in the world and all of their albums are the best album in the world.

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lolwut?

TKOL is one of the worst RH albums both in terms of songs and its structure as an album, although I do quite like the tension/release thing they did.

Fitter Happier is the worst thing Radiohead have ever done to an album, completely kills the flow of OKC for me. I also agree that Lucky->The Tourist is a pretty limp ending for the album.

Kid A and In Rainbows are more or less perfect structurally, although I would have liked the first few seconds of IR to sound different.

HTTT is a mess but that's kind of the point isn't it?



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I actually agree with everything Thomas James said, minus the thing about IR. Fitter Happier was cool the first time, but it really kills the awesome streak the album had going up through Karma Police.

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I don't think the arrangement of 'Motion Picture Soundtrack' on Kid A works. That bit that I always describe as sounding like "glitter" seems to have noises thrown in simply because the album is full of noises. I also don't really feel as though its addition adds anything of note to the record as a whole. I think they ruined that song, and the acoustic demo is a gajillion times better. And it has the "beautiful angel...." verse *sigh*

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I don't think the arrangement of 'Motion Picture Soundtrack' on Kid A works. That bit that I always describe as sounding like "glitter" seems to have noises thrown in simply because the album is full of noises. I also don't really feel as though its addition adds anything of note to the record as a whole. I think they ruined that song, and the acoustic demo is a gajillion times better. And it has the "beautiful angel...." verse *sigh*


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anyway, basically you're wrong. it's probably the most beautiful, perfect album closer of all time. if you honestly can't see what those 'noises' are adding to the song conceptually then you're completely missing one of the fundamentals of Kid A as an album and sequence.
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you're obviously skipping the bends because it is almost kida-esque perfect in structure minus the lull of bulletproof :yeah:


Yeah, I had no idea what to say about The Bends. Hey, it's a nice album!